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		<title>By: shobha</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-3847</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Personal ISA</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Golden ISA</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-3676</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cognition brings to loose something I detected in Marruecos: That Fast seems to head everyone an skilled on Monotheism, and a enthusiastic Islamist. Many of those who power treat religion throughout the assemblage testament at the really small speedy (or release the deceit of fasting, level to their own families), often action it far, lecturing their friends who don&#039;t pray or chastising them for not making it to the musjid. Lest you conceive I&#039;m exaggerating, I&#039;ve witnessed this myself numerous times. In Honourable, I&#039;d be clubbing in City with African friends, drunkenness and dance; as presently as Fasting started, I was the coloured, not a assessment. I don&#039;t disagree that there are antithetic positions and motives at act here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cognition brings to loose something I detected in Marruecos: That Fast seems to head everyone an skilled on Monotheism, and a enthusiastic Islamist. Many of those who power treat religion throughout the assemblage testament at the really small speedy (or release the deceit of fasting, level to their own families), often action it far, lecturing their friends who don&#8217;t pray or chastising them for not making it to the musjid. Lest you conceive I&#8217;m exaggerating, I&#8217;ve witnessed this myself numerous times. In Honourable, I&#8217;d be clubbing in City with African friends, drunkenness and dance; as presently as Fasting started, I was the coloured, not a assessment. I don&#8217;t disagree that there are antithetic positions and motives at act here.<br />
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		<title>By: C.A.</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2753</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Lounsbury.</description>
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		<title>By: Global Voices in het Nederlands &#187; Marokko: Nog geen einde aan de woede tegen de sandwich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices in het Nederlands &#187; Marokko: Nog geen einde aan de woede tegen de sandwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gevoel van morele hypocrisie wordt herhaald door Jillian C. York op haar blog [en]. Zij schrijft: Waar ik me zorgen over maak is dit: er zijn ook veel mensen in onze samenleving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gevoel van morele hypocrisie wordt herhaald door Jillian C. York op haar blog [en]. Zij schrijft: Waar ik me zorgen over maak is dit: er zijn ook veel mensen in onze samenleving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Lounsbury</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2743</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lounsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be pragmatic, in a cultural situation where public observance is to say the least &quot;relaxed&quot; - Ramadan is culturally that last and highly sensitive symbolic cultural anchor point for the Muslim population. 

I should note, btw, that I believe Charlotte is wrong re religion, as I seem to recall at the Muqataa for birth registry one does something, but memory is vague so I may be wrong.

All cultures have their hypocrisies and as Ramadan goes the Moroccan approach has its share - although to my experience not really more so than an Egypt, Jordan or Syria re the Muslim communities. Different but not subjectively grossly more hypocritical. The quiet acceptance of non-fasting, non-praying, etc so long as one does not make a big deal of it is the current sociological accomodation. Some hypocrisies are necessary, in this instance I&#039;d call the Moroccan one relative to religious practice a necessary point in sociological change. Cultures and societies do not magically transform themselves, whatever activists might desire against some theoretical ideals.

As such, I agree in most respects with Conflict Analyst. 

I&#039;d also note that I think Charlotte&#039;s &quot;cultural Muslim&quot; is a bit precious as the concept remains quite controversial among observant Xian and Jewish communities - and quite alien to the MENA experience. For someone who purports to be undertaking sociological and anthropological research, she is quite tone deaf.

In any case, the action was spectacularly poorly thought through, and extremely counter productive and self-indulgent. I agree with CA&#039;s tie back to Le Journal and Tel Quel, and add that there is no small degree of class snobbery in much of that fringe of society - the observant, culturally conservative (if in application &#039;flexible&#039;) ordinary Mohammed rightly and accurately feels that this portion of the Francophone elite (not all of it, but without doubt the Tel Quel portion) do in fact look down on them, and snub their values at every turn. That is not at all healthy, in particular given the oligarchic tendencies in the economy. Mind you, these are the kind of people I do business with all the time -  while I can understand where these Mali folks came from, this was rather too &quot;special&quot; to be a good idea, or even to genuinely advance the cause of religious freedom. Rather, it adds fuel to the fire and gives cause to the Islamists who claim the secularised can&#039;t even be bothered to give the ordinary folks basic beliefs a tiny fiddle of respect. That is dangerous for real change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be pragmatic, in a cultural situation where public observance is to say the least &#8220;relaxed&#8221; &#8211; Ramadan is culturally that last and highly sensitive symbolic cultural anchor point for the Muslim population. </p>
<p>I should note, btw, that I believe Charlotte is wrong re religion, as I seem to recall at the Muqataa for birth registry one does something, but memory is vague so I may be wrong.</p>
<p>All cultures have their hypocrisies and as Ramadan goes the Moroccan approach has its share &#8211; although to my experience not really more so than an Egypt, Jordan or Syria re the Muslim communities. Different but not subjectively grossly more hypocritical. The quiet acceptance of non-fasting, non-praying, etc so long as one does not make a big deal of it is the current sociological accomodation. Some hypocrisies are necessary, in this instance I&#8217;d call the Moroccan one relative to religious practice a necessary point in sociological change. Cultures and societies do not magically transform themselves, whatever activists might desire against some theoretical ideals.</p>
<p>As such, I agree in most respects with Conflict Analyst. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also note that I think Charlotte&#8217;s &#8220;cultural Muslim&#8221; is a bit precious as the concept remains quite controversial among observant Xian and Jewish communities &#8211; and quite alien to the MENA experience. For someone who purports to be undertaking sociological and anthropological research, she is quite tone deaf.</p>
<p>In any case, the action was spectacularly poorly thought through, and extremely counter productive and self-indulgent. I agree with CA&#8217;s tie back to Le Journal and Tel Quel, and add that there is no small degree of class snobbery in much of that fringe of society &#8211; the observant, culturally conservative (if in application &#8216;flexible&#8217;) ordinary Mohammed rightly and accurately feels that this portion of the Francophone elite (not all of it, but without doubt the Tel Quel portion) do in fact look down on them, and snub their values at every turn. That is not at all healthy, in particular given the oligarchic tendencies in the economy. Mind you, these are the kind of people I do business with all the time &#8211;  while I can understand where these Mali folks came from, this was rather too &#8220;special&#8221; to be a good idea, or even to genuinely advance the cause of religious freedom. Rather, it adds fuel to the fire and gives cause to the Islamists who claim the secularised can&#8217;t even be bothered to give the ordinary folks basic beliefs a tiny fiddle of respect. That is dangerous for real change.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflections, Day 25, 26, 27 &#38; 28 &#171; 760 Days in Morocco</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflections, Day 25, 26, 27 &#38; 28 &#171; 760 Days in Morocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Talal</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>Talal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irfan, Jillian
I am simply stating that there are other ways to handle this situation, this group should probably have prepared its actions through a true grassroots movement.
I think they could have started with taking signatures to push for a review of the law or at least start the conversation. 
I want to stress that this law is not really applied. Only provocateurs might see this law applied because the government is put in a bad spot. Damned if they react, and damned if they don&#039;t...
Lastly, I want to say that this group should expect the others&#039; reaction, whether its good or bad. It is their choice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irfan, Jillian<br />
I am simply stating that there are other ways to handle this situation, this group should probably have prepared its actions through a true grassroots movement.<br />
I think they could have started with taking signatures to push for a review of the law or at least start the conversation.<br />
I want to stress that this law is not really applied. Only provocateurs might see this law applied because the government is put in a bad spot. Damned if they react, and damned if they don&#8217;t&#8230;<br />
Lastly, I want to say that this group should expect the others&#8217; reaction, whether its good or bad. It is their choice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Pakistan there is a blasphemy law which basically says that if you insult the prophet Mohammad or the quran you would face consequences. This law has been used as an excuse to kill non Muslims and confiscate their property.

Since its inception no government has had the guts to abolish the law. Whenever they have tried the religious groups call the government un-Islamic and manage to uphold this infamous law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Pakistan there is a blasphemy law which basically says that if you insult the prophet Mohammad or the quran you would face consequences. This law has been used as an excuse to kill non Muslims and confiscate their property.</p>
<p>Since its inception no government has had the guts to abolish the law. Whenever they have tried the religious groups call the government un-Islamic and manage to uphold this infamous law.</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan</title>
		<link>http://jilliancyork.com/2009/09/17/religion-is-personal/#comment-2725</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talal

Groups and person SHOULD challenge laws they find unjust. In the United States and South Africa there were unjust laws on segregation. Only when groups and individuals stood up did they manage to abolish them.

Jillian, i fully agree your personal viewpoint. I also realize that there is no true Muslim state. However when all else fails even moderate Muslim states like Morocco use religion and the Koranic laws as an excuse. Anyone who challenges these Islamic laws can then be termed an infidel.</description>
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<p>Groups and person SHOULD challenge laws they find unjust. In the United States and South Africa there were unjust laws on segregation. Only when groups and individuals stood up did they manage to abolish them.</p>
<p>Jillian, i fully agree your personal viewpoint. I also realize that there is no true Muslim state. However when all else fails even moderate Muslim states like Morocco use religion and the Koranic laws as an excuse. Anyone who challenges these Islamic laws can then be termed an infidel.</p>
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